How much should founders prioritize self-care and mental health against the demands of the work?

Christian Lanng · Sep 27, 2023 · hedged

The founders who persisted to big outcomes are not normal people and ran extremely unhealthy work-life balances; whether success requires that is unclear

Everyone he knows from that cohort — Zendesk, Unity, the Danish mafia — fits the pattern, and he suspects that once he's pulled into an idea again it will be hard to do differently

Scope: explicitly says he doesn't know if it's necessary; intends to try to do it differently this time

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Harry Stebbings · Sep 27, 2023

Creating something category-defining requires giving up an amount that very few people are willing to give up — you don't build greatness on nine to five

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George Sivulka · Jan 22, 2025 · hedged

Working sixteen-to-eighteen-hour days with no weekends was detrimental to his health and he probably went too hard, but it was also a crucible that formed him as a founder

Being a founder is very hard, and the low points of willing something into existence are what shape you; but in hindsight he left nothing on the table to the point of harming himself

Scope: hindsight is 20/20; detrimental to health; also formative

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Harry Stebbings · Jun 6, 2025

His addictive personality is what allows him to be one of the best at what he does, and it is not something he is proud of

He can get addicted to almost anything in an unhealthy way, which shows up physically in psoriasis and heart palpitations

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Harry Stebbings · Jun 6, 2025

You cannot become number one in a category and reshape how a generation experiences a product without an unhealthy, addictive drive

Ordinary definitions of success are achievable without it, but category-defining greatness is not

Scope: depends on the definition of 'great' — you can make a lot of money without it

80:34 20VC: The Science of Storytelling: Three Steps to Master the Perfect Story | From Near Death Experience to Unicorn Startup: The Untold Story of Omaze with Matt Pohlson

Sahil Bloom · Feb 25, 2022

Hard work should not be defined in absolute hours; for creative work you have to take care of your full self — including family time, walks, sleep — in order to do inspired work.

He previously worked 100-hour weeks on the 'sleep when I'm dead' model in private equity, and changed his mind: creative output depends on the whole person being cared for.

Scope: applies specifically to creative work

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Sahil Bloom · Feb 25, 2022

Hard work should be judged in a relative sense, not only an absolute one — you can be working hard in a different way

Scope: stated as a recent change of mind

36:30 20VC Exclusive: Sahil Bloom on Raising his Debut Venture Fund (SRB Ventures), Why Traditional Venture Firms Are Going to Lose and How Sahil Built a Twitter Audience to 500K+ in 18 Months

Matan Grinberg · Jun 13, 2026

Grind culture comes from optimizing intermediate metrics like hours worked instead of actual output, and mandating crazy hours or putting beds in the office is a sign you hired badly

Measuring effort rather than results is like deciding who won a basketball game by who sweated most — you should look at the scoreboard; the fix is hiring people who score regardless of how much they sweat

Scope: acknowledges most people do have to work hard to get things done

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Chris Sacca · Oct 11, 2021

It is dangerously easy for people in the tech industry to become so consumed by work that they neglect balance, relationships and self-care

The book's author only confronted meaning and relationships at the height of his success when diagnosed with incurable cancer

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Amjad Masad · Mar 10, 2023

Founders should not sacrifice health and friendships for their startup; the right advice to a young founder is to take life a bit more seriously

He was so driven that he is now paying down health debts and having to reconnect with neglected relationships, and he regrets not spending more time with his mother before she passed away

Scope: speaking from personal hindsight

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Christian Lanng · Sep 27, 2023

Founders absolutely sacrifice their health to the process, through stupid things like believing you don't have time to see a doctor and masking fatigue with Red Bull and espresso

He almost died of anemia with hemoglobin at 5.4 because he never made time for a doctor, and the risk of a heart attack at that level is very high

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Phin Barnes · Oct 2, 2023

You can be quite healthy on real, balanced food alone, without protein shakes and supplements

Eating real food in a balanced way is sufficient for health, even with high training volume

Scope: framed as his own approach to fueling ~40-60 miles of running a week

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Markus Villig · Nov 13, 2024

The contrarian health advice is to take the basics seriously — eight hours of sleep, healthy food, exercise a few times a week, time off, books, friends — rather than biohacking

Everybody is trying to innovate and biohack while most people don't actually do the basics

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Christian Lanng · Sep 27, 2023

Once people follow you, your own happiness is legitimately not the most important thing — pensions, mortgages and children are on the line

Leadership creates a real responsibility to others that can override personal preference; he made choices that cost him happiness but avoided disaster for the company

Scope: counterbalanced by the view that happiness also produces great work and creativity; 'it really depends'

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Zachary Bookman · Dec 6, 2024

While he holds the CEO job he owes it to hundreds of employees to stay completely mission-obsessed rather than step back, even though the relentless treadmill is unhealthy

Many hundreds of employees depend on him taking the job seriously, as do customers and shareholders

Scope: acknowledges it 'sounds kind of sick' and is a total treadmill

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Matteo Franceschetti · Nov 20, 2023

Rest should be treated as 'active recovery' — vacations and time off should be deliberately designed, and even A/B tested, to maximize how fast you recover and perform.

He thinks of himself as an athlete even as a CEO, so everything including time off is optimized for professional performance.

Scope: he labels it a contrarian and 'pretty weird' approach to rest

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Matteo Franceschetti · Nov 20, 2023

The key to recovering on vacation is disconnecting from social media and practicing 'stillness' — doing literally nothing and letting the brain wander — while still training.

Stillness lets the brain process everything, and stopping training entirely makes him feel guilty and worse.

Scope: sometimes extends to cutting out podcasts on short breaks

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Harry Stebbings · Dec 13, 2024

Entrepreneurs who are fit and healthy make better entrepreneurs

Fitness requires discipline and consistency and the ability to control your mind when you don't want to do something — the same traits entrepreneurship needs

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Guillaume Moubeche · Dec 13, 2024 · hedged

Endurance training and entrepreneurship have a lot in common because both are mind games that harden you against the voice telling you to stop

The internal arguments he has with his brain during long training sessions are the same ones he had after two failed businesses when he had no money and everyone told him to get a real job; both are about finding discipline, tracking progress, and focusing on what you control

Scope: acknowledges he's biased as an entrepreneur who does a lot of sport

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Guillaume Moubeche · Dec 13, 2024

The popular message that you should be chill and self-caring is too complacent, because growth is by definition uncomfortable

Growth by definition requires discomfort

Scope: allows that being caring and chill has some value

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Jesse Zhang · Sep 19, 2025

Trying to mitigate work stress through wellness and balance practices does more harm than good; people should embrace stress instead.

Heavy investment in wellness creates a huge juxtaposition between relaxation and stress that makes the stress feel worse; also, a life with no stress is less exciting, and competing for big customers in a fast-moving industry is a privilege.

Scope: acknowledges stress can harm health and shorten lifespan; aimed at people who over-index on wellness

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Johannes Reck · Jun 23, 2025

Big businesses are built over decades, not a year or two, so founders must engineer a sustainable life to hold high energy under pressure that long

He wants to look back at 60 or 70 and feel he spent his time right; more sport and deliberate family time is what lets him sustain

Scope: personal lesson

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Amjad Masad · Apr 25, 2026

Getting healthy works better as a multi-year process of adding one small habit at a time than as an intense sprint

He had yo-yo'd his weight with company stress; starting with one workout a week raised his energy, and layering habits slowly avoided the burnout that comes from going five days a week immediately

Scope: based on his own three-year experience; framed as a five-year horizon

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Des Traynor · Jul 18, 2022

Getting physically fit — exercise, weight training, health — meaningfully increases mental resilience under founder stress

Strong body, strong mind: after getting in shape he could absorb bad news as a blip ('it's just one customer'), whereas twelve months earlier the same event would have spiralled into catastrophic thinking

Scope: offered as his own personal experience; framed as a side note

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Winston Weinberg · Jan 19, 2026

Starting the day by physically destroying yourself with hard exercise makes you a better decision-maker for the rest of the day because your body has already absorbed the stress

Company building is mostly making very good decisions, and doing something physically very challenging first thing relieves stress for the rest of the day

Scope: personal experience

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Tracy Lawrence · Jul 27, 2020

A founder who doesn't address their mental health can't sustain the work of realizing an ambitious long-term vision

Her fundraise-triggered emotional spiral made her question her worth and whether she belonged in tech, showing her she couldn't keep going in that state

3:39 Unaddressed mental health makes the long vision unsustainable

Tracy Lawrence · Jul 27, 2020

Hustle culture is not healthy on a daily basis and should be actively disrupted with small breaks throughout the day

Without deliberate interruption you become attached to work like a barnacle to a rock; short meditations and exercise create space from 'work is everything' mode

40:59 Daily hustle must be interrupted with small breaks

Brad Feld · Jul 27, 2020

The right response to the current crisis is to accept and exist within the moment rather than fight or try to control it, while reprioritizing self-care and discarding organizing frameworks that no longer serve you

He found that over the last three months he was not actually taking care of himself because he felt obligated to be involved in so many COVID-related efforts, and the conceptual framework he had used for a year and a half was not serving him

42:01 Accept the moment and drop frameworks that no longer serve

Phin Barnes · Oct 2, 2023

Exercise is best measured in hours rather than miles, and solo training time functions as meditation

He gets much more benefit from 60-120 minutes a day alone than from 30-45 minutes, and mixing in cycling makes distance a poor unit

57:28 Solo training time functions as meditation measured in hours not miles

Christian Lanng · Sep 27, 2023

Burnout is not recognizable from the inside — it accumulates like a frog being boiled slowly, and it takes big external reality checks on health or work to see it

It shows up first as isolated dislikes before you notice it's across the board

5:49 Burnout is invisible from the inside

Christian Lanng · Sep 27, 2023

Founders take genuine pride and enjoyment in enduring workloads others can't survive, even though it isn't a healthy sign

He and colleagues had a late-night Skype group and were proud to be in it; there's satisfaction in being able to do what other people can't and last longer

21:47 Endurance pride is real but not healthy

Christian Lanng · Sep 27, 2023

The 'just hire people who never stop' approach to mental health in startups doesn't work — if he could burn out, anyone can

He believed himself immune because of his hustle, and still went down

38:02 Hustle does not make anyone immune to burnout

Matteo Franceschetti · Nov 20, 2023

Consistency over the long run matters far more than being perfect on any given day in health and performance habits

Pushing to be perfect every day creates pressure that hurts your mood; what matters when you zoom out to the year is whether you were consistent enough across dimensions and can sustain it

83:39 Consistency over time matters more than daily perfection in health habits

Guillaume Moubeche · Dec 13, 2024

In an era where distraction is easy and building an online business is also easy, the people who train the muscle of discipline are the ones who will win

Discipline is the purest form of self love — sacrificing your current state for your future self — and better outcomes in life all require that energy and battle

56:05 Discipline as self love decides who wins in an era of easy distraction

Guillaume Moubeche · Dec 13, 2024

Pain is a signal of growth rather than a signal to stop

He believes pain is weakness leaving the body, so every time it hurts he is getting stronger, which makes it a positive in his mind

64:35 Pain is a signal of growth not a signal to stop

Jason Lemkin · May 6, 2022

The only reliable cure for founder burnout is finding a VP who behaves almost like a founder and takes ownership of a meaningful piece of the company

handing off part of the load drops the founder's stress dramatically; it's what saved him at EchoSign and at SaaStr, and founders should almost drop everything to find that person

21:08 Hiring a founder like vp to take ownership is the real cure for founder burnout

Markus Villig · Nov 13, 2024

Sacrificing sleep for the business is a bad trade and he has never done it in ten years

Losing sleep makes him ill-tempered the next day with worse memory and worse decision making; building the company is a marathon

84:03 Sacrificing sleep for work degrades decision quality never worth it

Eléonore Crespo · May 9, 2025

You cannot build a great company without knowing what makes you happy, both at work and outside it, because founders need extreme balance and must show up optimistic and balanced for customers and employees every day

A founder needs more energy than anyone on the planet and is like an Olympic athlete; employees and customers deserve someone balanced and optimistic in front of them, and you're excellent at the things that make you happy

52:55 Self knowledge of what makes you happy enables sustained founder balance and optimism

Harry Stebbings · May 9, 2025

We live in an age that over-optimises everything — wearables, sleep timing, no drinking, fasting, no carbs — and in doing so has lost play

He lists his own optimisation stack (Apple Watch, Oura ring, Whoop, 8:30pm bedtimes, longevity powder, no carbs) as evidence of the culture

55:37 Over optimization of health crowds out play and spontaneity

Eléonore Crespo · May 9, 2025

Health optimisation and play are different things; you should set your own limits and never adopt an optimisation practice that makes you unhappy

She keeps a strict rhythm and doesn't drink because she needs energy to project optimism daily, but would never fast or skip a party she wanted to attend because that would make her unhappy

56:09 Set personal limits and reject optimization practices that cause unhappiness

Mike Hudack · Sep 13, 2024

People mistake obsessive behaviour — refreshing dashboards, counting hours, the theatre of grinding — for real hard work, and it is that obsessive mode, not the workload, that causes burnout

Compulsively refreshing the growth Slack channel is repetitive and super stressful, and is fundamentally different from a semi-detached view that interrogates growth and decides what to build next

55:37 Obsessive compulsive behaviour not hours worked causes burnout

Max Junestrand · Jan 26, 2026

Burnout comes from doing work where you don't feel like you're winning, not from working hard; momentum breeds momentum

When new joiners see the whole team operating at that pace and see the company winning, they get pulled in and want to do it themselves

33:01 Burnout comes from losing not from hours worked

Cliff Obrecht · Jan 27, 2023

The work-hard-play-hard grind model is not sustainable past your twenties; sleep, exercise and basic self-care become necessary inputs to performance

He used to think anyone who couldn't do 20 beers and a 7am start was weak, but has found you can only get away with that through your twenties

10:06 Grind culture is sustainable only in your twenties basic self care becomes necessary afterward

Craig Courtemanche · Dec 4, 2023

Talking directly to a customer is the most reliable way for a CEO to reset and reground on a bad day

Nothing gets him more excited and grounded in the love of what he does, and it demonstrably changes his attitude

48:44 Talking to customers resets and regrounds ceos on hard days

Craig Courtemanche · Dec 4, 2023

A CEO should prioritize their own stability and wellness ahead of company obligations

If he isn't well rested and stable he can't show up well, and he didn't want to start a big week behind the eight ball

57:38 Ceo stability and wellness take priority over company obligations

Anjney Midha · Apr 14, 2026

The most important life scaling law is to take life seriously but not so seriously that you forget what makes it worth living — relationships and time with people, which is the one resource of unknown supply

Family and personal health experiences made him realize nobody knows how much time they have, and chasing the next fund or raise causes people to take relationships for granted

58:05 Relationships are the one resource of unknown supply

Matan Grinberg · Jun 13, 2026 · hedged

The right model for founders is athlete-style seasonality — fully locked in and optimized during the season, then genuinely off during the break — rather than either constant optimization or constant indulgence

You want robustness so one drink doesn't ruin five days, but athletes show the way to combine that with periods of total focus

73:46 Athlete style seasonality full intensity then genuine off season

Andrew Feldman · May 26, 2026

If you want to attack genuinely hard problems you have to accept that you will be failing daily and unpleasant to be around, and manage that by surrounding yourself with people you want in the boat

He was failing every day for eighteen months and was not chipper or happy at home during it

57:04 Accept the daily failure toll and choose who is in the boat

Christa Quarles · Jul 29, 2021

Operating is a full-body contact sport, so forcing yourself to physically slow down and quiet the monkey mind refills the creativity well you need to give back to the organization

Practicing yoga inversions makes her focus on the present moment and signals her body to stand down; that refresh is what lets her go at it again the next day

20:29 Physical practice like yoga quiets the mind and refills creativity for operating

Christa Quarles · Jul 29, 2021

Taking real time off between jobs makes you better — fresher, more creative, more able to give — whereas she wrongly treated a weekend off between roles as sufficient

She was so amped and ambitious she never slowed down to celebrate, just moved onto the next thing on the treadmill

40:33 Meaningful time off between roles not just a weekend recharges effectiveness