Will autonomous vehicle operators distribute through third-party marketplaces or own consumer demand directly?

Markus Villig · Nov 13, 2024

Self-driving developers like Waymo will not want to run car networks themselves long term, so ride hailing platforms will be pivotal to their go-to-market

Most people underestimate the complexity of operating millions of vehicles across hundreds of cities — local regulation, payments, customer support, cleaning, charging, insurance, financing, procurement — and hand-wave it as easy when it isn't

Scope: long term

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Markus Villig · Nov 13, 2024

Existing ride-hailing companies will be the best route to market for self-driving cars, contrary to the prevailing investor view

Scaling a ride-hailing network is extremely hard after eleven years even with human drivers, and adding autonomous operations — cleaning, charging, fleet management — only makes it harder; skeptics have not done the work so don't grasp the complexity

Scope: stated as his most contrarian view, not yet bought by investors

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Andrew Macdonald · Aug 17, 2026

Delivery is the right analogy for autonomy economics: dominant suppliers like McDonald's and Starbucks built their own stores and 1P channels yet still reach workable economics with marketplaces

Owners of expensive fixed assets want to drive as high utilization as possible, whether the asset is a store or a car

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Nikhil Basu Trivedi · Sep 6, 2023

The best entry point is later seeds and earlier A's, where there is a little something working, the founders can articulate why with unique insight, the why-now is strong, and there is a big vision — accepting that market size remains unclear

This is the stage where product signal exists but market risk is still unpriced, and 'how big can this company be' is the hardest question

21:11 Later seed to early a with early traction and big vision is the best entry point