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How soon after making an investment can investors tell whether it will be good or bad?

5 recorded positions from 4 people, first said Apr 3, 2024. They do not agree — the readings below are what each one actually argued.

Warts surface within three to six months revealing investment quality

David Schneider · Sep 11, 2024

You typically learn whether an investment is good within three to six months, when the warts hidden during diligence surface

Assumptions made at the deal turn out incorrect, or the business changes fast — as happened with COVID winners whose businesses stopped behaving the same way post-COVID

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Harry Stebbings · Oct 14, 2024 · hedged

You can tell within the first three months whether a company is not good.

Scope: framed as a personal feeling

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Also on the record

Kevin Hartz · Jul 22, 2024

Patience is the most important ingredient in a venture outcome — time itself solves problems and gets companies into orbit, even ones investors have told to return the money

He has seen time and again companies wander in the woods for a long time, be forgotten or written off, and still work out

35:31 Patience and time eventually turn around written off companies

Harry Stebbings · Apr 3, 2024 · hedged

You can tell whether a company is good within the first month of working there

38:51 Company quality is apparent within the first month of working there

David Frankel · Oct 14, 2024

Early judgments about a company are often wrong: enterprise SaaS gives slow feedback because of long sales cycles, consumer gives fast feedback, and the overriding lesson is patience.

He was convinced Olo was a total loss and that the founder was duping investors each round, and it took a very long time to come good.

10:13 Feedback speed differs by business model enterprise slow consumer fast so patience is key

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