How close to front-line selling should senior sales leaders stay?

Kyle Norton · May 30, 2025

Sales leaders at every level should keep personally running customer calls even after layers are added beneath them

It keeps his craft sharp and keeps him connected to what's happening on the front lines, and doing his new ideas himself is the fastest way to find out whether they work

Scope: he prioritizes the biggest deals, e.g. above 10 locations; applies to BDR managers, AE directors and new managers too

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John McMahon · Nov 28, 2025

The best CROs know exactly what is going on at the street level of the sales organization

As a first-line leader he lost respect for second- and third-line leaders whose meetings were only internal politics rather than what would help reps sell more software, and vowed to be different at that level

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John McMahon · Nov 28, 2025

Sales leaders should make sales calls and try to sell the product themselves rather than asking their reps what needs to be done — the reps should be asking the leader

Riding along on calls shows you where reps make mistakes, what customers say and what competitors do; selling yourself makes you understand what reps go through, so you hold the answers

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John McMahon · Nov 28, 2025

Sales leaders lose their reps' respect mainly by being desk jockeys who don't ride along on calls and therefore don't understand what reps are going through

Reps can tell when a leader doesn't know what's really going on, and stop respecting them

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Carles Reina · Feb 14, 2026

A good sales leader must personally do outbound and pitch customers — he acts as the company's 'SDR in chief'

Rolling up your sleeves and pitching is the best way to understand what's actually happening in the market; his own cold outbound to Razer's CEO produced a meeting

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Chris Degnan · Oct 10, 2025

A sales leader must still travel and be physically in the field, because Zoom cannot tell you what is actually happening in a regional office

You can't detect a tyrant running a country for you or get honest skip-level information over a 30-minute one-on-one; it takes coffee, dinner, a few beers before people tell you what actually sucks

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Chris Degnan · May 23, 2026

A second-line sales manager's travel schedule is a reliable diagnostic for whether they're failing — if they're lowest on the travel report, they aren't working

Field sales leadership requires being in front of customers, so low travel signals absence of real work

Scope: applies to second-line managers in field sales orgs

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Chad Peets · May 23, 2026

A leader running North America who hasn't been on a plane in five weeks has a problem

T&E budgets revealed the North America leader wasn't traveling, which he treats as evidence of not doing the job

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Chris Degnan · May 23, 2026

There is a direct correlation between sales success and how much a leader flies

The physical toll of that travel is exactly why he doesn't want to return to being an operator

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John McMahon · Nov 28, 2025

Sales leaders at large acquiring companies are typically bureaucratic internal politicians who don't want to know what's happening at street level

Every time a company he was at got acquired by a bigger company, the meetings became internal politics rather than selling, which made him want to leave as fast as possible

29:01 Acquirer bureaucracy pulls leaders off the street

Frank Fillmann · Mar 22, 2023

There are two kinds of 'super rep' sales leaders: the control-oriented micromanager, which is bad, and the leader who stays deeply involved in deals to drive rep success, which is necessary

A leader who treats their job as purely internal and becomes too far removed from the customer can't drive success in the field

35:24 Deep involvement in deals differs from harmful micromanagement

Frank Fillmann · Mar 22, 2023

The thing most needing to change in sales is empathy for reps; as leaders move up, the job becomes internal and they lose touch with how hard the rep's job actually is.

Many reps joined organisations and went two years without ever entering an office, meeting colleagues or meeting customers face to face; spending quality time with them keeps a leader humble and relevant.

49:28 Leaders must spend time with reps to retain empathy for the job

Matt Plank · Dec 20, 2024 · hedged

Past a certain scale the CRO job changes completely from being the best closer to essentially being a head of sales operations focused on operational planning

At scale the work becomes slotting humans against segments based on expected demos rather than closing deals yourself

15:23 Cro becomes an operational planner not a closer

David Schneider · Sep 11, 2024

Executives who travel should treat every moment on the road as time with customers, employees or partners, including unglamorous windshield time, rather than being distracted by phones

You are there for a reason — to talk to customers and impart culture — and talking to employees about their hopes and dreams reveals that people are largely aligned on wanting financial security, interesting work and promotion

55:31 Treat all travel time as customer and employee time not distraction